Have The LDS Prophets Seen Jesus Christ? (12 Yes!)(2 No!)(3 Quite Possibly!)
The absolute #1 question in the Church, according to polls I
may or may not have actually conducted, is “Why do the 16 year old priests have
to squish the bread so hard when they’re ripping up the sacrament?” It gives
the whole thing a very distracting, mashed and rubber-like consistency.
If I may, I’d like to suggest a solution. Give everyone in
the congregation their own entire slice of bread. Two if it’s thin sliced and a
fast Sunday. We would take it right out of the bag ourselves, of course. The
only possible squishing then would be in the shopping cart under a bag of
apples. Such damage would taste a lot less teenage-fingery. I feel like I could
cope with that better.
A close second most-asked question, of course, pertains to
tithing discounts. I have it on good authority that we all get one of those on
our baptism anniversary. (I don’t have that on any authority.)
The third-most asked question, according to several internets,
is do the modern prophets actually see
Jesus Christ? You want to know, right? Everyone does, really. It doesn’t
matter though. I mean it really shouldn’t matter to a testimony. If your
testimony hinges totally on someone else’s spiritual experiences,
you may want to add to it.
I do have good news for you though. Of the 17 prophets that
have presided since the restoration of God’s Church, a vast (and I mean VAST) majority have seen Him. Some have written about the experience themselves.
Some have kept it sacred and close to the chest – telling only family members.
Some of those family members, thankfully, didn’t keep it as close to their chest. Below is a list. I do not
believe it has every sighting of every prophet. But it does show that heaven
plays a very active role in our top tiers. Heaven plays big roles in all the
other tiers too, but that’s for another post.
Below is every single prophet in chronological order along
with whether there’s any recording of them seeing Jesus Christ. Excerpts from
some of their experiences are included where they could be:
1) Joseph Smith - (Seen Him!)
Joseph Smith, putting it bluntly, saw the Father and Son a
lot. Listing the sacred grove experience would be easy. It’s not even included
in the numbers listed below. For the sake of keeping things a bit more
interesting - here’s a lesser-known example:
“In addition to the four appearances of the
Father and Son during this five-year span (1831-36), historical sources reveal
that Joseph Smith saw Jesus Christ separately on four occasions.
Thirteen-year-old Mary Elizabeth Rollins was present when one of these
visitations transpired. She remembered the event occurring in 1831, at a
meeting of Saints held at the Isaac Morley farm, where the Prophet was the main
speaker. She recalled Joseph speaking very solemnly during the meeting. “All at
once his countenance changed and he stood mute,” Rollins recounted. “Those who
looked at him . . . said there was a search light within him, over every part
of his body. I never saw anything like in on the earth. I could not take my
eyes off of him. He got so white that anyone who saw him would have thought he
was transparent. I . . . thought I could almost see the bones through the
flesh.” The Prophet stood silent for several minutes before he asked those
present if they knew who had been in their midst. Martin Harris told them it
was the Savior, to which the Prophet responded that God had revealed that truth
to Martin. He then said, “Brothers and Sisters, . . . the Savior has been here
this night and I want to tell you to remember it. There is a vail [sic] over
your eyes for you could not endure to look upon Him.”” (https://devotional.byuh.edu/node/160)
Notice Joseph started to glow when this
vision occurred. We’ve talked about that phenomenon before.
Brigham Young wrongfully has a rep for not being as
spiritually in-tune as JS. That, I boldly say, is not true. Did you know he
once commanded a sea storm to calm in a very Biblical manner? Did you know that
after the martyrdom he was caught up into ‘eternity’ and met with Joseph Smith?
You can read more about all that here.
But this, specifically, is about Brigham Young Seeing
Christ. In his own words he said “I have had many revelations, I have seen and heard for myself.” But that’s pretty vague. He may not like to brag, but his good
friend Heber C. Kimball wasn’t afraid to bolster faith in the prophet:
“You need not ask who administer to brother Brigham; for I will tell
you: They are Moses and Aaron, Elijah, Jesus, Peter, James, and John, brother
Joseph, Michael the Archangel, and the hosts of the righteous behind the veil:
they are all engaged in this great work.” (http://ogdenkraut.com/?page_id=358)
John Taylor’s experience comes to us via Spencer W. Kimball.
It is simple and straight forward:
“‘I
know that Jesus Christ lives,’ said John Taylor, my predecessor, ‘for I have
seen him.’ I bear this testimony to you brethren in the name of Jesus Christ.”(“Strengthening the
Family—the Basic Unit of Society,” Ensign, May 1978, 48).
It’s also President Kimball talking
about what he himself has seen. More on that later. We’re still way back in the
1800s here…
4) Wilford
Woodruff - (Seen Him!)
Wilford Woodruff had a vision of the Salt Lake Temple around 50 years before it was built. He was in Boston at the time. He became almost obsessed with finishing it. It makes sense, then, that his
experience with the Savior happened at it’s long prophesied dedication:
“One brother in attendance at the
dedication of the Salt Lake Temple reported, “President Wilford Woodruff told
some of the saints that our Savior had appeared unto him in the east room in
the Holy of Holies, and [Jesus]
told him that he had accepted of the Temple and of the dedicatory services. . .
. President Woodruff saw the Savior and talked with him face to face.””(https://rsc.byu.edu/archived/banner-gospel-wilford-woodruff/5-every-man-given-gift-spiritual-legacy-wilford-woodruff)
5) Lorenzo Snow - (Seen Him!)
Aside from the billions of visits to Joseph Smith (slightly exaggerated), this
visitation of Christ is probably the best known. The setting is that Wilford
Woodruff just died. Snow was next in line and was absolutely overwhelmed by the
thought of it. He prayed and prayed for some kind of guidance but an answer
didn’t come – at first:
“Lorenzo Snow was still at work in
his office in the Salt Lake Temple. It was dark outside, and the stars had come
out. He was the fifth President of the Church, but he was also serving as the
first president of the Salt Lake Temple at the time. He often stayed late into the evening to
finish his work. President Snow’s granddaughter Allie Young loved to visit him
at his office. In those days, family members of the temple president were
allowed to visit him there. They were
not allowed to go through the entire temple, however, until they were old
enough and had been found worthy and ready to make the sacred temple covenants.
This special evening Allie was with her grandfather in his office. The
doorkeepers had gone home and the night watchmen had not yet come in, so they
were alone. When Allie was ready to leave, President Snow went to a dresser and
took a large bunch of keys from the drawer so that he could let her out the
main entrance. Together they walked down a large corridor near the celestial
room. President Snow suddenly stopped and said,
“Wait a moment, Allie. I want to tell you something.” Allie listened
intently as her grandfather told her of an unforgettable experience he had once
had at that place in the temple: “It was right here that the Lord Jesus Christ
appeared to me at the time of the death of President Woodruff. He instructed me
to go right ahead and reorganize the First Presidency of the Church at once and
not wait as had been done after the death of the previous presidents, and that
I was to succeed President Woodruff [as President of the Church].”President
Snow held out his left hand and said, “He stood right here, about three feet
above the floor. It looked as though he stood on a plate of solid gold. ”Still
speaking in hushed, reverent tones, President Snow told Allie that the Savior’s
appearance was so glorious and bright that he could hardly look at Him.
President Snow put his right hand on Allie’s head and said, “Now granddaughter,
I want you to remember that this is the testimony of your grandfather, that he
told you with his own lips that he actually saw the Savior, here in the temple,
and talked with him face to face.””
In some of these visitations we have to take the word of but
one person that they heard these events happened. If you desperately don’t want
to believe any of this, one person’s word can be easy to discount. We have Allie
Young above with her Grandfather’s tale – but was she honest?
Luckily we also have LeRoi C. Snow agreeing with her. In a 1933 issue of the
Improvement Era The Younger Snow wrote an article called ‘An Experience of My
Father’s.’ Here is an excerpt:
“After finishing his prayer, [my father] expected a reply, some
special manifestation from the Lord. So he waited—and waited—and waited. There
was no reply, no voice, no visitation, no manifestation. He left the altar and
the room in great disappointment. Passing through the celestial room and out
into the large corridor, a glorious manifestation was given President Snow
which I relate in the words of his granddaughter, Allie Young Pond. …”
[He then quotes from his
niece (see above)]
LeRoi goes on to state:
“… I related this experience in the Eighteenth Ward sacramental
service. After the meeting Elder Arthur Winter told me he also had heard my
father tell of the Savior’s appearance to him in the temple instructing him not
only to reorganize the First Presidency at once but also to select the same
counselors that President Woodruff had, Presidents George Q. Cannon and
Joseph F. Smith.” (https://www.lds.org/ensign/2015/09/a-visit-from-the-savior?lang=eng)
So what does this prove so far? It
proves that the family Snow definitely talked about this. They knew about this. So did Heber J.
Grant:
"In
confirmation of the testimony given by Brother LeRoi C. Snow quoting the
granddaughter of Lorenzo Snow, I want to call attention to the fact that
several years elapsed after the death of the Prophet Joseph Smith before
President Young was sustained as the president of the Church. After the death
of President Young, several years elapsed again before President Taylor was
sustained, and again when he died several years elapsed before President
Woodruff was sustained.
"After the
funeral of President Wilford Woodruff the Apostles met in the office of the
First Presidency and Brother Francis M. Lyman said: 'I feel impressed although
one of the younger members of the quorum, to say that I believe it would be
pleasing in the sight of the Lord if the First Presidency of the Church was
reorganized right here and right now. If I am in error regarding this
impression, President Snow and the senior members of the council can correct
me.'
"President Snow
said that he would be pleased to hear from all the brethren upon this question,
and each and all of us expressed ourselves as believing it would be pleasing to
the Lord and that it would be the proper thing to have the Presidency organized
at once.
"When we had
finished, then and not until then did Brother Snow tell us that he was
instructed of the Lord in the Temple the night after President Woodruff died,
to organize the Presidency of the Church at once. President Anthon H. Lund and
myself are the only men now living who were present at that meeting." (https://scottwoodward.org/lorenzosnow_sawtheLordintemple.html)
6) Joseph F. Smith - (Seen Him!)
Joseph F. Smith is another easy one. His sighting is the
only one, Joseph Smith Jr. aside, whose vision of Christ is canonized.
“I saw the hosts of the dead, And while this vast multitude waited and
conversed, ... the Son of God appeared, declaring liberty to the captives who
had been faithful” (D&C 138:11, 18)
(https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/138.16-19)
Heber J. Grant – much more than just backup for LeRoi
Snow. He was kind of an everyman president. Of course, so far on this list an ‘everyman’
would have had to see Christ:
“As I rode along alone, I seemed to see a Council in
Heaven. The Savior was there; the Prophet Joseph was there; my father and
others that I knew were there. In this Council it seemed that they decided that
a mistake had been made in not filling the vacancies in the quorum of the
Twelve, and conference had adjourned. The chances were the brethren would wait
another six months, and the way to remedy the situation was to send a
revelation naming the men who should fill the vacancies. In this council the
Prophet said, “I want to be represented by one of my own on that council.”
“I had always understood and known that my mother was
sealed to the Prophet, and that Brigham Young had told my father that he would
not marry my mother to him for eternity, because he had instructions from the
Prophet that if anything happened to him before he was married to Rachel Ivins
she must be sealed to him for eternity, that she belonged to him.
“That is the reason that father spoke up in this council
to which I have referred, and said: “Why not choose the boy who bears my name
who belongs to you, to be one of the Apostles?” That is the inspiration that
was given to me.
“I can truthfully say that from February, 1883, until
today I have never had any of that trouble, and I can bear testimony that I
know that God lives and that Jesus is the Christ, the Savior of the world, and
that Joseph Smith is a Prophet of the living God.” (https://www.mormoninterpreter.com/dissenters-portraying-the-church-as-wrong-so-they-can-be-right-without-it/)
8) George
Albert Smith - (Didn't See Him!)
George Albert Smith didn’t see Christ, and
he’s refreshingly straight forward about it.
I don’t know at what point in his apostleship
he made the statement below, but I’ve found no reference to him having a divine
vision of that exact type. He did, however, feel he had spent some time in the
company of the unseen Lord:
“I have not seen
Him face to face but have enjoyed the companionship of His spirit and felt His
presence in a way not to be mistaken. I know that my Redeemer lives and gladly
yield my humble efforts to establish His teachings. ... Every fiber of my being
vibrates with the knowledge that He lives and some day all men will know it.”
It is
almost refreshing that this President
Smith makes no claim of seeing Christ. It proves, without a doubt, that there
are no conspirators meeting in dimly lit (but smoke-free) rooms to manufacture
such tales. I believe it lends real credence to the other claims.
GA
Smith did receive other revelations, though. Here’s one if you’re interested. It
involves a panoramic life review – something that pops up all over the place in
different apostolic stories (It’s on my list of future posts).
9) David O. McKay - (Seen Him!)
President McKay was once seen emitting light through his skin after returning from the Holy of Holies. Though he never said what
happened in that room that day, he did say what happened in this vision:
"During a tour of the Church in the South Pacific in 1921, President
David O. McKay, then a member of the Quorum of the Twelve, had a remarkable
vision of the celestial kingdom. His description provides a glimpse of how the
premortal heavenly home probably appeared.
"I ... beheld in vision something infinitely sublime. In the distance I
beheld a beautiful white city. Though far away, yet I seemed to realize that
trees with luscious fruit, shrubbery with gorgeously tinted leaves, and flowers
in perfect bloom abounded everywhere. The clear sky above seemed to reflect
these beautiful shades of color. I then saw a great concourse of people
approaching the city. Each one wore a white flowing robe, and a white
headdress. Instantly my attention seemed centered upon their Leader, and though
I could see only the profile of his features and his body, I recognized him at
once as my Savior! The tint and radiance of his countenance were glorious to
behold. There was a peace about him which seemed sublime—it was divine!" (https://grandmapalspocket.blogspot.com/2015_01_14_archive.html)
10) Joseph
Fielding Smith - (Didn't See Him!)
Joseph Fielding Smith was son of the canonized Joseph F. Smith
(seen above) and grandson of Hyrum Smith, one of the 8 Book of Mormon witnesses. He was a humble man. Humble enough to say:
“I
have not beheld him. His Father and He have not felt it necessary to grant me
such a great blessing as this. But it is not necessary. I have felt his
presence. I know that the Holy Spirit has enlightened my mind and revealed him
unto me, so that I do love my Redeemer...” (https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-of-presidents-of-the-church-joseph-fielding-smith/chapter-2-our-savior-jesus-christ?lang=eng)
So, much like George Albert Smith, Joseph Fielding claimed
no visual visitations from Christ. But also like George Albert – he felt
Christ’s presence. Interesting how that repeats. It’s also interesting that he,
too, is so open about it.
11) Harold B. Lee - (Seen Him!)
I’m excited to talk about Harold B Lee. But first I’ll let
him talk:
“I shall never forget my feelings of loneliness the Saturday
night after I was told by the President of the Church that I was to be
sustained the next day as a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. That
was a sleepless night….
And then one of the Brethren, who arranged for Sunday evening
radio programs, said, “Now you know that after having been ordained, you are a
special witness to the mission of the Lord Jesus Christ. We want you to give
the Easter talk next Sunday night.”
“The assignment was to bear testimony of the mission of the Lord
concerning His resurrection, His life, and His ministry, so I went to a room in
the Church Office Building where I could be alone, and I read the Gospels,
particularly those that had to do with the closing days and weeks and months of
the life of Jesus. And as I read, I realized that I was having a new
experience.
“It wasn’t any longer just a story; it seemed as though I was
actually seeing the events about which I was reading, and when I gave my talk
and closed with my testimony, I said, “I am now the least of all my brethren
and want to witness to you that I know, as I have never known before this call
came, that Jesus is the Savior of this world. He lives and He died for us.” Why
did I know? Because there had come a witness, that special kind of a witness,
that may have been the more sure word of prophecy that one must have if he is
to be a special witness.” (https://www.fairmormon.org/answers/Question:_Did_any_twentieth_century_leader_after_Joseph_Smith_report_divine_visions%3F#cite_note-10)
Joseph Smith once had a panoramic Bible review, too. His was with his seer stone.
But we're getting sidetracked. Here is one more thing from President Lee. It is only a
comment from a Facebook group – but it is profound. This fits the Lorenzo Snow
pattern like a glove. It happened in the Salt Lake Temple and it was a small,
personal statement meant only to bolster the testimony of the listener:
“Harold
B. Lee was walking with me right behind him, down a corridor in the SL Temple,
he stopped and said that THIS spot, was where he FIRST saw the Saviour. I
believed him.”
Do you believe it? Do you want to believe it? Do you want to
not believe it? It fits the pattern. It
fits a distinct pattern. It was a
comment on a post talking about James E. Faust seeing Christ. It really strikes
home to me. I believe it. It's first hand. I’m sold.
12) Spencer W.
Kimball - (Seen Him!)
President Kimball is another exciting one. Remember the John
Taylor quote up towards the top of the post? That was this same man – and it
included his own testimony of seeing Christ. And then you have stuff like this:
“…I want to add to these testimonies of these
prophets my testimony that I know that He lives. And I know that we may see
him, and that we may be with him, and that we may enjoy his presence always if
we will live the commandments of the Lord and do the things which we have been
commanded by him to do and reminded by the Brethren to do.”
“I know that we may see him, and that we may be
with him…” is
pretty direct, but it doesn’t specifically say President Kimball saw Christ
himself. But this does - from an article originally posted 17 February 2014. It was titled Grandma Burton’s Witness By Justin Collings,
a grandson. The setting is just after J. Collings returned from his
mission. His grandfather recently passed and his grandmother, perhaps sensing
her own mortality, seemed eager to share her most spiritual experiences. This
is one of them. It appears to be a zone-conference type setting with Spencer W.
Kimball of the twelve presiding:
“After the testimonies had been borne, Elder Kimball addressed Grandma
and her fellowlaborers. She told me that because of the caliber of
missionaries he was addressing, Elder Kimball felt at liberty to speak more
freely than the Brethren generally do about the sacred and solemn interviews
involved in calling [an] apostle and qualifying him to stand as a special
witness of the Lord Jesus Christ in all the earth. He told them a story
familiar to many of us—of the anxiety and the inadequacy he felt; of the
nagging doubt that he had been called, not by revelation, but because he was
the grandson of President Heber C. Kimball; and of his flight to the mountains,
amid fasting and prayer, to seek a witness from the Lord that the call had come
from Him and not from man. From the familiar story, we know that Elder Kimball
obtained the witness. But to Grandma Burton and to her stalwart missionary
peers, this mighty man of God revealed an additional and dramatic detail about
how that witness came. President Kimball, like so many others of the noble and
great ones called to the holy apostleship in this final dispensation of grace,
saw the Lord Jesus and heard from the mouth of the Savior Himself the
soulcheering affirmation, "I have called you to be my witness to the
world. Doubt not, but be of good cheer."”
(https://www.familysearch.org/photos/artifacts/5299320)
13) Ezra Taft
Benson - (Seen Him!)
President Benson is straight up blunt about it. Were people
listening? I, most definitely, wasn’t. But President Benson – I hear you now:
“There have been many in this dispensation who have seen Him. As one of
those special witnesses so called in this day, I testify to you that He lives.
He lives with a resurrected body. There is no truth or fact of which I am more
assured or more confident than the truth of the literal resurrection of our
Lord.” (https://www.lds.org/ensign/1991/04/jesus-christ-our-savior-our-god?lang=eng)
14) Howard W.
Hunter - (Maybe Saw Him!)
Howard W. Hunter got called as an apostle in 1959. In 1986 he
gave a spectacular talk at the April General Conference called ‘An Apostle’s Witness of the Resurrection.’ The
purpose of this talk, as the title suggests, was to hammer home the point of
apostleship. He starts out with a Joseph Smith Quote:
“Joseph Smith said, “The fundamental principles of our religion are the
testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that He died,
was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all
other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it.””
He then quotes Peter:
“Therefore let all the house of
Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have
crucified, both Lord and Christ.” (Acts 2:36.)
“But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, ... and killed the Prince of
life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.” (Acts
3:14–15.)
Then Paul:
“And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him
down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.
“But God raised him from the
dead:
“And he was seen many days of them which
came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the
people.” (Acts 13:29–31.)
And more
Paul:
“Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our
Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord? ... For the seal of mine apostleship are
ye in the Lord.” (1 Cor. 9:1–2.)
Then Hunter
throws in, almost casually:
“I humbly testify of my privilege to bear the holy apostleship and to
work daily with a modern Quorum of Twelve Apostles who are disciples of the
Lord Jesus Christ. We are to go forth as “special witnesses of the name of
Christ in all the world.” (D&C 107:23.) And so have the Apostles always
testified.”
Now Hunter
doesn’t directly say anything here, but he does clearly say that apostles
testify of their witness of the risen Lord – and that he is that kind of apostle. He never says he
didn’t see Jesus either, which thus far is a clear move for the prophets that
haven’t (see G.A. Smith & the younger J.F. Smith up there).
At best,
with everything I’ve found so far, I can only put President Hunter in the ‘Maybe’
column.
15) Gordon B.
Hinckley - (Seen Him!)
This next bit is from a video
made by the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve in 2001 titled Special Witnesses of Christ. It’s
a pretty long transcript so the below quotes kind of jump around a little bit –
and it really echoes Hunter:
“In our
day the Lord has called 15 special witnesses to testify of His divinity before
all the world. Theirs is a unique calling; they are Apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ, chosen and commissioned by Him. They have been commanded to
bear witness of His living reality by the power and authority of the holy
apostleship in them vested….
[Speaking of Christ’s Biblical apostles] “Those
who were witnesses of that event, all who saw and heard and spoke with the
Risen Lord, testified of the reality of this greatest of all miracles. His
followers through the centuries lived and died in proclamation of the truth of
this supernal act….
To all of these we add our testimony that He
who died on Calvary’s cross arose again in wondrous splendor as the Son of God,
the Master of life and death….
“Of the
reality and personality of the living God and of His Son, our Redeemer, I stand
as a solemn and reverent witness, speaking these words by the power of the Holy
Ghost.” (https://www.lds.org/ensign/2001/04/special-witnesses-of-christ?lang=eng)
Now think about the word
‘personality’ up there. It kind of jumps off the page. The Google definition of
Personality sums it up pretty well: ‘the combination of characteristics or
qualities that form an individual's distinctive character.’
Can one learn the
qualities that form an individual’s distinctive character without personal
interaction? I don’t think so. Given the apparent free-flowing visitations
listed above, I think GB Hinckley may have been telling us something big there.
If
that’s not enough, interestingly, here’s a third hand account of Gordon B.
Hinckley describing what Christ looks like. I’ve never seen it before and it
is, somewhat, an uncommon description. This is a quote from a former believer
named Tom Philips, taken from an email he wrote to the author of MormonPath.com.
For the life of me I can’t think of why a former believer would want to
push this if he hadn’t actually heard it:
“Harold G.
Hillam of the Seventy (now deceased) said to me that President Hinckley had
described Jesus as having fair hair and blue eyes with no beard.” (http://www.mormonpath.com/2017/12/28/)
16) Thomas S.
Monson - (Maybe Saw Him!)
President Monson was a giant among men, and I do believe he
saw Christ but there are no direct public statements. Below is a smattering of
statements that could be interpreted as such:
1) In one week we will celebrate Easter. Our thoughts will turn to
the
Savior’s
life, His death, and His Resurrection. As
His special witness, I testify to you that He lives and that He awaits
our triumphant return. That such a return will be ours, I pray humbly in His
holy name—even Jesus Christ, our Savior and our Redeemer, amen. Thomas S. Monson, “The Race of Life,” Ensign, May 2012
2) I
know without question, my brothers and sisters, that God lives. I testify to
you that this is His work. I testify as well that our Savior Jesus Christ is at
the head of this Church, which bears His name. I know that the sweetest
experience in all this life is to feel His promptings as He directs us in the
furtherance of His work. ("Looking Back and Moving Forward," Ensign, May 2008)
There are Mormon-lore type legends about Monson
seeing Christ. I found this one in the comments section of a something or other:
“Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:19 pm
“Pres. Monson saw
the Saviour during the San Diego Temple dedication (after the day's sessions)
while he was First Counselor (reported by the Temple president to the Temple
workers the first week the Temple was open for ordinance work).” (https://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=23995)
Anyone who
has ever had an in-depth talk with a temple worker has heard stories like this.
I’ve heard some myself and trust the sources. I couldn’t find anything about
this specific item though, so I’ve got to keep President Monson in the ‘Maybe’
column. If I could find a first hand account – like the HB Lee comment listed
above, I’d happily slide President Monson on over to the concrete ‘Seen Him’ column.
17) Russell M.
Nelson - (Maybe Saw Him!)
President Nelson has been Q&A-ed a few times. Some of
those Qs, predictably, have gone like this: “As an apostle, you are a special
witness of Jesus Christ. Does that mean you’ve seen Jesus Christ?
The answer to this question has been something along the
lines of “No it does not necessarily mean that.” I’ve heard two such stories
recently. In one of the tellings (a ward member over the pulpit recently in a
fast & testimony meeting) that answer was quickly followed up with “But
I’ve heard him. I’ve felt him…”
“I’ve felt him”
very much echoes G.A. and J Fielding Smith. However – President Nelson has only
just become the Prophet. Perhaps he has had an experience akin unto Lorenzo
Snow – seeing Christ just after assuming the mantle. For now I feel confident
putting President Nelson in the ‘Maybe’ column too.
This list makes it apparent that although the vast majority
of Latter-Day prophets have seen
Christ – seeing him isn’t mandatory. He can guide his prophets without making
eye contact.
Let’s allow President Nelson to close things in his own
words:
“As a special witness of Jesus
Christ, I testify that He lives! I also testify that the veil of death is very
thin. I know by experiences too sacred to relate that those who have gone
before are not strangers to leaders of this Church.” (https://www.lds.org/ensign/1992/05/doors-of-death?lang=eng)
Some notes on your list:
ReplyDeleteThe John Taylor quotation from Pres. Kimball is accurate but still wrong. Pres. Kimball meant to name Taylor's counselor George Q. Cannon, not Pres. Taylor. He clarified that later by naming Pres. Cannon in another talk (see below).
The Pres. Brigham Young documentation is not strong enough, in my personal opinion.
The Wilford Woodruff source you cite from Collected Discourses is the only such account known, and taken on its own is not very strong, although that in itself does not make it false.
The Alice Young Snow Pond account is from LeRoi's published account. LeRoi was given to exaggeration and fictionalizing in some of his writings. In quoting Allie, however, he used what she wrote in her own diary and the quotations LeRoi put in quotation marks are accurate and historically sound. Pres. Snow also had an earlier experience, while he was temporarily living in Mt. Pizgah, where he saw Jesus. He wrote of that experience in one of his few surviving diaries.
The "grandma" telling of what she heard Elder Spencer W. Kimball tell the missionaries is probably true, but is third-hand and therefore less reliable as a historical source for scholarly purposes. The best source for Pres. Kimball is his own telling in a conference talk, “The Cause Is Just and Worthy,”
https://www.lds.org/ensign/1974/05/the-cause-is-just-and-worthy?lang=eng.
This talk should be both watched and listened to very carefully, and not read, as the church editors messed up the published quotations of who said what from Pres. Kimball's verbal talk. There is no question that Pres. Kimball testified to the Church of having seen Jesus on two occasions.
You may well be right about the Hunter and Hinckley and Monson statements of testimony, but when used exclusively as historical documentation to make this point, they are weak. I wish we had something more direct from each of them.
Further discussion of these matters and more are found in my newest book, "I Know He Lives: How 13 Special Witnesses came to Know Jesus Christ."
I know he's not the prophet, but President Eyring gave a pretty definitive testimony in his April 2013 talk, "Come unto Me". To quote:
ReplyDelete"I am a witness of the Resurrection of the Lord as surely as if I had been there in the evening with the two disciples in the house on Emmaus road. I know that He lives as surely as did Joseph Smith when he saw the Father and the Son in the light of a brilliant morning in a grove of trees in Palmyra."
I've heard other second-hand stories of apostles who saw Christ but since these aren't part of the public domain I won't mention them.
Thank you both for sharing these insights and witnesses. I know that He lives because although I have not seen Him, I have, like our Prophet Russel M Nelson testifies, heard and felt Him in my life. I am grateful for all The Lord's prophets and apostles, who bring us closer to The Lord Jesus Christ by example and by their witnessing. May The Lord continue to bless us all as we seek to do His Will by following Him.
ReplyDeleteI would like to see an article like this written about the apostles. I believe many of them have had special visits themselves.
ReplyDeleteRead Elder Ballards book ‘When thou art converted’ which recounts Elder Ballard’s father Melvin J. Ballard’s first hand account of the Savior appearing to him and embracing him.
DeleteI felt my guidance to your page pinpointed on President Hinckleys description of the Saviour ..(many thanks )
ReplyDeleteHere's why an excerpt from my journal...
I am watching the documentary because I saw an amazing image of Jesus Christ as the Good Shepherd carrying a bucket of water also.... he looks like a Roman man in this depiction....no beard and legs visible below a tunic... I think a Roman artist was invisaging Jesus as a Roman type man simply because the artist was presumably Roman ... Black artists can also envisage Jesus as black in probably much the same way ... they feel that their Saviour must be one of their people !!